Patreon – a Discussion

 

What’s going on?

 

For those of you not keeping track, it has been an interesting week or so over at Patreon. With them apparently getting more and more aggressive towards the anime style as a whole. Particularly if it is R-18 content. It escalated when the Japanese artist known as “Waero” got suspended off of the platform. Who was apparently told that “Japanese-Styled art is considered underage pornography and is not welcome on Patreon”. Regardless of physical attributes, bust size, etc. It was all going to be treated as lolicon.

After a total shitshow on Twitter, Patreon eventually made a public statement that “Anime in itself is not a banned style”. However the actions of their moderator staff sings a different song.  While admitting that anime isn’t banned, the *features of anime are*. Such features being big heads, big eyes, the overall moe or innocent look. etc. Below are a few screenshots I lifted from Twitter, of people’s interaction with the Patreon staff.

 

They are also up to their usual dirty tactics of snooping through creator’s PMs, and even demanding access to their google drives to make sure they are obeying their policies.

 

 

What is my plan?

Obviously my Patreon cannot function under these strict guidelines. All of my models other than maybe T-elos would probably fall under the “Too cutesy in the face” rule. However it is yet to see just how intrusive they are with this policy. As far as I know, there hasn’t been a gigantic ban wave like there was when they banned Lolicon and real-life pornography from the platform.

 

I plan on laying low and weathering the storm until Patreon either suspends me (At which point I will leave the platform for good). Or the whole thing blows over. As much as I’d love to simply give them the middle finger, a lot of my monetary livelihood still rests on the platform. So ditching them would be like cutting my nose to spite my face.

 

So, in response, I ask my supporters to consider switching over to either my SubscribeStar, or my Pixiv Fanbox channels. I would like to even out the nests in case of a total ban hammer. It is not required however, and I would not want anyone to “double dip” in pledges. So please beware that you would get an immediate charge on either of the new platforms and time accordingly! Also please note that Pixiv rewards must be censored.

 

 

Please also note that I have not been contacted by Patreon at all at this point. This is just a preemptive measure!

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Anonymous
Anonymous
03/16/2020 6:30 pm

Try subscripe star

Anonymous
Anonymous
03/16/2020 6:34 pm
Reply to  Mantis-X

Ah my b. Yeah it’s best to move over there. Patreon likes to police their users.

Anonymous
Anonymous
03/16/2020 6:34 pm

Damn this sucks. Which would you prefer? SubscribeStar or Pixiv Fanbox? Not familiar with any of them.

Anonymous
Anonymous
03/17/2020 12:31 pm
Reply to  Mantis-X

Man, that sucks. So, out of curiosity: Can anyone who joins Pixiv get uncensored rewards via a different channel, e.g. a Mailinglist or a password protected DropBox folder?
edit: Not the same Anonymous as the one above. Should’ve chosen a distinct name. XD

Anon2
Anon2
03/18/2020 12:12 pm
Reply to  Anonymous

PS: Is there an anonymous way of supporting you that isn’t as volatile as Bitcoin? I did some quick search and it says that prepaid gift cards are even better (if bought with cash).
https://www.cogipas.com/anonymous-online-payments-explained-how-to-pay-anonymously/

Anonymous
Anonymous
03/18/2020 7:44 pm
Reply to  Mantis-X

From what I’ve seen with my American fanbox pledges, as long as you don’t post the image itself, links are fair game for uncensored content as long as the censored content is present in the post.

Also, it is very likely that the legal team of Patreon is pushing this issue now that their payment processor is based in the UK. PR team should be fired for how its being handled.

NewAgeLink
NewAgeLink
03/16/2020 6:37 pm

Wow dude, that’s a lot to take in, but, it sucks non the less, they seriously need some new management staff over there, otherwise they might end up like Tumblr and lose 90% of there users,
Here’s hoping they don’t give you the yeet

SIMOMEGA
SIMOMEGA
03/29/2020 12:12 pm
Reply to  NewAgeLink

Just what the fuck is wrong with people these days? Censorship all over the place for the most innocent stuff, fuck Patreon they deserve to die just like Tumblr.

Anonymous
Anonymous
03/16/2020 6:39 pm

Is subscribe star a better alternative to patreon? I have never heard it before but patreon is clearly awful now… just leave artists alone… some dumb ass old boomer making laws on stuff they don’t understand

MassiveWeeb™
MassiveWeeb™
03/16/2020 6:40 pm

Been a patron for a while now, I’ll gladly switch over to SS if necessary, just make sure you give a warning on patreon once you’re jumping ship!

Ephinox
Ephinox
03/16/2020 6:50 pm

I’m glad you brought this up. I was thinking about your platform might be targeted next. I will probably switch over the SubscribeStar then. Lately patreon has been giving me weird issues anyway. I hope it just blows over honestly.

Anonymous
Anonymous
03/16/2020 6:52 pm

SubscribeStar it is!

Anonymous
Anonymous
03/16/2020 6:56 pm

I suggest trying Ci-en.

Straw Hat Luffy
Straw Hat Luffy
03/16/2020 7:29 pm

As I am already a super loyal SubscribeStar member, I’ll ask a question on a different note, do you think you will do a cutesy video featuring somebody doing something with a virus or nurse’s attire, etc.?

Anonymous
Anonymous
03/16/2020 8:06 pm

We live in strange times, friends.

Anonymous
Anonymous
03/16/2020 8:17 pm

I hate Patreon with a burning passion now lol

Vladarek
Vladarek
03/16/2020 9:26 pm

~~~sighs~~~ Are the people in charge of Patreon nitwits? Banning art due to elements of the arts style? What absolute gits! What happened to artistic freedom, and freedom of expression? Has Patreon been bought out by some sort of Neo-Puritan Evangelical group or some such rot?

Good luck Mantis, and I hope for your sake, and theirs, those Patreon folk get their collective heads out of their collective backsides.

I shall always be your loyal fan Mantis!

Anonymous
Anonymous
03/16/2020 10:34 pm

and I this month was going to start joining your patreon now I don’t know what to do with my money (sorry my english i had to use the google translator)

Anonymous
Anonymous
03/16/2020 10:47 pm

honestly everyone should leave Patreon, they’ve used terrible tactics like this and not only to just the anime community we gotta hit em where it hurts… there pockets!!

Daverost
Daverost
03/16/2020 11:29 pm

Think I heard some rumblings about Patreon maybe taking a bigger cut now/soon to compensate for people leaving? Any word on that from your end? How’s the cut they take vs. SS? I don’t mind swapping but right now I’m not set up for SS and I have a lot of cleaner people that are only set up on Patreon, so if it’s all the same I’d rather just bail when the time comes unless it’s already actively worse for you.

Daverost
Daverost
03/17/2020 9:42 am
Reply to  Mantis-X

Thanks for following up. I’ll bail if you do, but I’ll just stay put for now.

Anonymous
Anonymous
03/17/2020 12:50 am

Man, I just want to be able to use friggin PayPal to sub to people…

Anon
Anon
03/17/2020 2:14 am
Reply to  Anonymous

It’s PayPal pushing them to do this. Their “acceptable use policy” explicitly says “items that are considered obscene” and “sexually oriented materials or services” are not allowed.

Spicehoro
Spicehoro
03/17/2020 2:58 am

Patreon should learn from the consequences of this type of decision, look what became tumblr because of that kind of speech…

Anonymous
Anonymous
03/17/2020 4:23 am

You could just do older characters, I wouldn’t mind. As long as they get cum inflated with a smile on their face.

Anonymous
Anonymous
03/17/2020 2:42 pm
Reply to  Anonymous

“Oh, you like Well done steak, but it’s not allowed to be served at this restaurant? ..But you can go to another restaurant and get a Well done steak? Just get a Rare cooked steak here.”

Is what you’re saying. Sure it works, but it’s not as good. And, there’s an alternative close by.

Anonymous
Anonymous
03/19/2020 5:09 am
Reply to  Anonymous

I’m saying i don’t like loli much in the first place and come here for other reasons.

Anonymous
Anonymous
03/17/2020 5:08 am

Going forward Patreon Creators™ partners are now confined to Disney, tumblr or minecraft template styles

NullHorizon
NullHorizon
04/21/2020 5:28 pm
Reply to  Mantis-X

And some of them are actually fairly lewd, too!

Justin IZ Here
Justin IZ Here
03/17/2020 6:37 am

I’m always happy to see more of the creators I support ditching patreon. I’ll be moving over to SS next month.

Patreon is a fucking trainwreck, always has been.

Anonymous
Anonymous
03/17/2020 7:50 am

A tough day for artists in general. I don’t see any real problem with any of this stuff, but it annoys me that hey make a big deal out of it. With any luck, it’ll all blow over very quickly.

Anonymous
Anonymous
03/17/2020 8:32 am

Fuck Patreon.

Truly True
Truly True
03/17/2020 4:02 pm

Big F in the chat to everyone that was fucked over with Patreon. A couple of months back my friend had his Patreon taken down for anime pornography, even though he always says his characters are above 18 (Which none of them looked like children at all). I feel sorry that you have to worry about Patreon, but at least you have other sites that function pretty much the same way so people that enjoy your work can donate. I hope that you can still live well and that it all blows over (Since, it is kind of bullshit what… Read more »

knightly
knightly
03/17/2020 5:30 pm

Mantis, i think this is all B.s. and just giving everyone the ring around, i think there a Rouge mods out there banning for no reason. I heard rumors about it about a month a ago now.. So i heard he lost his mod permissions… But looks like there more than one Rouge mod out there and they need to be ban perm of their platform. If you get banned or suspended for a few days & for no reason also they dont give you a good enough. Reason you can reappeal it and it be looked it, not my… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous
03/17/2020 5:34 pm

“Too cutesy in the face” rule? they gotta be kidding us… they made this, because they want to be “non-underage pornography”, why do they want to do that after all? well, R.I.P Cute characters

Anonymous
Anonymous
03/17/2020 8:26 pm

Pixiv Fanbox is used my many artist that switch because of patreons new policies.
and it works fine i would take that : )
there are even fine with loli content.

Anonymous
Anonymous
03/17/2020 10:11 pm

Hopefully you don’t get hit with the banhammer, mate.
On the flipside, if you are, there are other less arrogant and draconian sites.
I’ve heard good things about SubscribeStar.

Anonymous
Anonymous
03/18/2020 4:06 am

My dear mantis, I am your loyal fan in China. In China, it is not convenient to use the American sponsorship method. We do not have VISA card or Paypal.Our main online payment method is alipay. You can use alipay to collect yuan sponsorship from your fans and then convert it into dollars so Chinese fans can sponsor you. In addition, in China, because the policy, many foreign web sites don’t have access to, including the Pixiv and Fanbox and Iwara, we need to find and use paid VPN, very inconvenient, but Patreon can directly access, because pay the VPN… Read more »

Munkeyman
Munkeyman
03/18/2020 7:50 am

If Patreon brandishes the ban hammer, I’ll swap to Pixiv. Keep us posted!

Anonymous
Anonymous
03/18/2020 8:25 pm

Just swapped from patreon to subscribestar, I don’t understand why they’re so willing to drive out the people making them money

EREBZ
EREBZ
03/18/2020 11:28 pm

Ha, another artist by the name of Godoy did the same and transferred to Pixiv Fanbox as well, and its apparently working out for him. The dude ended up doing a bunch of Eri from My Hero Academia around that time, and while I have no proof of this, I like to believe he simply found the most innocent loli in current mainstream anime and lewded her like crazy to spite Patreon. He gets past the censors by putting the uncensored pictures/animations he makes into a “zipped” winrar file, that is included with the censored image. Loophole seems to work… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous
03/19/2020 3:59 am

*Loads shotgun with MALICIOUS intent*

Anonymous
Anonymous
03/19/2020 5:32 am

Really wished more people were capable of looking at things in the long term. Well any idea of what places to use aside from substar and fanbox? Cause it sounds like those are the best options.

Anonymous
Anonymous
03/19/2020 8:58 am

Ah shit here we go again. IMHO in anime space you can do anything. Its all unreal, its just your imagination. Relax

Anonymous
Anonymous
03/19/2020 9:25 am

Your content is awesome, hopefully the switch over to Subscribe star is painless, I would be too worried for you staying on Patreon given the current state of the site.

Anon2
Anon2
03/19/2020 9:50 am

Hm, it looks like my post might’ve been overlooked, probably because I responded somewhere in-between?
I just want to know if you would like to accept gift cards. I remember that you did accept Bitcoin once, so if you still have that wallet you can just use Paxful to convert those cards into coins.

Anon2
Anon2
03/24/2020 11:58 am
Reply to  Mantis-X

Thanks for the info. I checked the site and their FAQ says they do accept it.

already4514
already4514
03/20/2020 2:48 pm

Geez… I don’t understand why they can’t just say, “Huge tits and adult body? Seems legit.” Why the fuck do they feel the need to protect these 2D images, they ain’t fucking real people! This shit is just getting ridiculous. I hope everything works out for you okay.

Anonymous
Anonymous
03/20/2020 10:36 pm

You should consider Fantia as well 🙂

RevyTwoHand
RevyTwoHand
03/22/2020 9:30 pm

Did you know you made it into a news bit about this on Sankaku Complex?

Anonymous
Anonymous
03/23/2020 4:29 pm

In fact,Wearo is Taiwanese Artist.XDD

Anonymous
Anonymous
03/24/2020 8:32 am

It’s kinda fun how they protect drawn childs more than real childs

shonen991
shonen991
03/25/2020 2:02 am

A bit late on catching up with content.

I heard about the patreon hypocrisy. So I cancelled my patreon pledge.

BUT.

I’m now a Subscribe Supporter! Hurray!

Anonymous
Anonymous
04/01/2020 12:57 pm

when will we get to see more of rachel, patoots, or tentacles???

Anonymous
Anonymous
04/02/2020 8:28 pm

“Hex Maniac’s face is depicted to be under 18” how does anyone say that without a shred of irony?

Anonymous
Anonymous
04/03/2020 3:15 pm

Sorry for being late to the posting. Have you looked at the video platform “floatplane”, the recently launched website from Linus Tech Tips? Their youtube video explaining the launch is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOOOfZWXPu4, and it’s titled “Our Response to YouTube’s Shenanigans – Floatplane is Finally Here!” which was posted on their channel on Dec 16, 2019. If you don’t want to trust the above written link, just go to their Linus Tech Tips channel and scroll down to that date. It seems they designed it so they aren’t yanked by any chains, themselves. Would like to hear what you found interesting or… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous
04/04/2020 9:13 am

Just a paypal is enough besides patreon don’t suspend american citizen just foreigners so if you are mexican canadian,japanese,chinese,spanish or whatever citizenship and post anime content then your account will get banned probably. take for example incognitymouse he has been in patreon or years and yet his account hasn’t being removed,your patreon hasn’t been removed,the only problem for patreon admins are foreigners making money normally japanese style art they will ban anyone,besides people is getting banned when lazy people try to take advantage of the platform for example not releasing a shit over a year or not releasing anything at… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous
04/04/2020 9:26 am

pixiv doesn’t allow milking users if you do face ban,fantia doesn’t allow milking fans or you face ban,the times changed so either you adapt and make real content each day of the week each week each month or you simply stop begging for money and lying to get money (why we should care about you moving out that is just a lie avoid making content) BTW i’m reporting your fantia since is breaking fantia rules (not original content so fuck you mate)

Anonymous
Anonymous
04/07/2020 8:22 am

You should make a Flote account for crypto fans too. Little side income there can’t hurt.

Anonymous
Anonymous
04/08/2020 2:53 pm

Well, there’s a pandemic right now so we can’t go door kicking. That said, they should expect to not be in business when we’re free to go serve warrants again.

Anonymous
Anonymous
04/18/2020 10:41 pm

hahahaha friend how do you make the sound effects of the videos? I don’t know why I imagine someone alone in the room moaning at a microphone JAJAJAJ

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